Travis Yost: Anderson Extension?

This is one of those moments where I really question the competency of Sens management. I like Anderson as a goalie, but his time here is running out. Not only because of the (expected) emergence of Lehner, but just because of regression as Yost pointed out. With money being such an issue, why is management overpaying for weaker talent simply because they have played here? Look no further than Greening, Neil, Phillips, and now potentially Anderson. I think Andy has a place on this team for this season, but then should be traded at the deadline. Unless he is willing to take a pay cut after he was probably underpaid, there is not much sense in keeping him. This post also assumed Lehner becomes our number 1 guy.

I would think it's as much about having him at an attractive price for a future trade than making him part of the team long term. Fishing for what Anderson expects?

This is one of those moments where I really question the competency of Sens management. I like Anderson as a goalie, but his time here is running out. Not only because of the (expected) emergence of Lehner, but just because of regression as Yost pointed out. With money being such an issue, why is management overpaying for weaker talent simply because they have played here? Look no further than Greening, Neil, Phillips, and now potentially Anderson. I think Andy has a place on this team for this season, but then should be traded at the deadline. Unless he is willing to take a pay cut after he was probably underpaid, there is not much sense in keeping him. This post also assumed Lehner becomes our number 1 guy.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I am not as convinced as many people are that Robin Lehner is the real deal. I may be completely wrong. But, I thought he fell off last year and got caught on some of his angles a bit too often.

Resigning Anderson beyond this coming year does not make a lot of sense, unless you don't have full confidence in Lehner. Or, short term, you plan on moving (trading) either Lehner or Anderson.

I am not as convinced as many people are that Robin Lehner is the real deal. I may be completely wrong. But, I thought he fell off last year and got caught on some of his angles a bit too often.

Resigning Anderson beyond this coming year does not make a lot of sense, unless you don't have full confidence in Lehner. Or, short term, you plan on moving (trading) either Lehner or Anderson.
- spatso

For Ottawa's sake, you better be wrong. Nothing on the horizon in goal and you have to think Anderson has already had his "career year" season before last and that was not even a full year. IMO Lehner is going to be a heck of a goalie.

I am not as convinced as many people are that Robin Lehner is the real deal. I may be completely wrong. But, I thought he fell off last year and got caught on some of his angles a bit too often.

Resigning Anderson beyond this coming year does not make a lot of sense, unless you don't have full confidence in Lehner. Or, short term, you plan on moving (trading) either Lehner or Anderson.
- spatso

That's the big question indeed. I think Lehner has a great overall game, but gets lazy at times and lets in pretty bad goals by not playing well positionally. That should be easy to fix. I think having a veteran back up for a young goalie is important but I think you can find a cheaper option for less term than Anderson.

If Lehner falters this year, we will be looking for a goalie and given the young nature of this team, Anderson isn't necessarily the answer.

For Ottawa's sake, you better be wrong. Nothing on the horizon in goal and you have to think Anderson has already had his "career year" season before last and that was not even a full year. IMO Lehner is going to be a heck of a goalie.
- JACMAN

When his head is in the game he can be amazing. Not so much in style, but in terms of intensity and athleticism he reminds me of Hasek. And, I spent years believing that Hasek was not a great technical goalie, just a great athlete who had lots of luck. Hasek used to drop his stick so he could cover the puck with his stick hand. Often he stopped the puck with his glove hand but did not make a clean catch.

So, as you can see, I may not be the strongest evaluator of goalie talent.

Off topic and stems from EK, but any news on Ottawa making a push for Kevin Hayes? Would be nice to add another young winger.

When his head is in the game he can be amazing. Not so much in style, but in terms of intensity and athleticism he reminds me of Hasek. And, I spent years believing that Hasek was not a great technical goalie, just a great athlete who had lots of luck. Hasek used to drop his stick so he could cover the puck with his stick hand. Often he stopped the puck with his glove hand but did not make a clean catch.

So, as you can see, I may not be the strongest evaluator of goalie talent.
- spatso

Doesn't make you wrong.

Off topic and stems from EK, but any news on Ottawa making a push for Kevin Hayes? Would be nice to add another young winger.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Doesn't make it true, but from what I have heard about him; a real sense of entitlement without playing a game in the NHL. Just confident or STAY AWAY?

Off topic and stems from EK, but any news on Ottawa making a push for Kevin Hayes? Would be nice to add another young winger.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

He is 22 years old. Did very little in his first three years at Boston College. He is an overager, most of the good college players come out after their second year. I would not put a lot of effort into signing him. He is not the second coming of Da Costa.

This is one of those moments where I really question the competency of Sens management. I like Anderson as a goalie, but his time here is running out. Not only because of the (expected) emergence of Lehner, but just because of regression as Yost pointed out. With money being such an issue, why is management overpaying for weaker talent simply because they have played here? Look no further than Greening, Neil, Phillips, and now potentially Anderson. I think Andy has a place on this team for this season, but then should be traded at the deadline. Unless he is willing to take a pay cut after he was probably underpaid, there is not much sense in keeping him. This post also assumed Lehner becomes our number 1 guy.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

i agree on this. also, now going with two goalies to split the workload- ie. keeping lehner and anderson, begs the question: why not just keep bishop to begin with....
which begs the question: why did we trade for anderson in the first place.
i really am leaning on the fact that this team should have just let it self bomb rather than rushing a rebuild to begin with.

Doesn't make it true, but from what I have heard about him; a real sense of entitlement without playing a game in the NHL. Just confident or STAY AWAY?
- JACMAN

I felt the same about Justin Schultz. I really don't know anything about the kid. But a if was a former 1st rounder, he must have some tools.

He is 22 years old. Did very little in his first three years at Boston College. He is an overager, most of the good college players come out after their second year. I would not put a lot of effort into signing him. He is not the second coming of Da Costa.
- spatso

I would think he would be a little bit better than Da Costa seeing as he was a 1st round pick? Seems similar to the Justin Schultz situation. If we are only hearing about him now, perhaps there is not much more to him than his contract situation.

Just throwing it out there....

Get rid of Anderson, sign Brodeur to a short term deal to work with The Lehner and then promote him to starter in another year.

Thoughts?

Just throwing it out there....

Get rid of Anderson, sign Brodeur to a short term deal to work with The Lehner and then promote him to starter in another year.

Thoughts?
- Douceman

If I am Winnipeg I want any deal for Kane to include Lehner. Or, a deal that has Ottawa taking back Pavelec for Anderson as part of the add ons.

"This is one of those moments where I really question the competency of Sens management"


this is what happens when you only sign players who "want to play in Ottawa"


you run out of options of players to sign


lmao

If I am Winnipeg I want any deal for Kane to include Lehner. Or, a deal that has Ottawa taking back Pavelec for Anderson as part of the add ons.
- spatso

You really want Kane hey?

You really want Kane hey?
- ClarksonDavid

Put him on a line with Turris and he will be will one of the top power forwards in NHL.

This is one of those moments where I really question the competency of Sens management. I like Anderson as a goalie, but his time here is running out. Not only because of the (expected) emergence of Lehner, but just because of regression as Yost pointed out. With money being such an issue, why is management overpaying for weaker talent simply because they have played here? Look no further than Greening, Neil, Phillips, and now potentially Anderson. I think Andy has a place on this team for this season, but then should be traded at the deadline. Unless he is willing to take a pay cut after he was probably underpaid, there is not much sense in keeping him. This post also assumed Lehner becomes our number 1 guy.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I'm not sure why people are so viscerally opposed to veteran support on this team - blind faith in young players is not how good teams approach their seasons, because good teams hope for the best but plan for the worst. That's precisely why the team is interested in having veteran players like Legwand, Michalek, Phillips, and Anderson around to provide a bit of a keel - to insulate against potential lapses by the likes of Zibanejad, Chiasson, Stone, Lazar, Hoffman, Cowen, Wiercioch, Ceci, and Lehner. If those young players succeed, then great - but it's not unreasonable to guard your team against understandable growing pains in its youth development.

Not to mention that goaltending is a critical position (i.e. this is NOT the same as Greening or Neil's situation), and having depth there is not something to squander for no particular reason. Did Lehner really show anything last year that suggests that he's a runaway #1 goaltender at this point? And even if he does well, what happens if he gets injured? Goaltending is the one position that they have virtually no AHL depth to meaningfully support for at least the next couple of seasons. Provided that Anderson can accept something like a 2yr extension where he realizes that it's at best a 1a/1b situation with Lehner, I don't think it's a bad investment to keep someone around who has proven that he fits in well with the team, and can help the team through times where Lehner maybe doesn't play up to everyone's hopes or expectations.

2013 spring: I was right about one thing.... they should of traded Anderson (even though he was playing amazing before his finger injury) and kept Bishop.

Bishop Lehner would of been awesome

Bishop Lehner would of been awesome
- AlfieisKing

i know

I'm not sure why people are so viscerally opposed to veteran support on this team - blind faith in young players is not how good teams approach their seasons, because good teams hope for the best but plan for the worst. That's precisely why the team is interested in having veteran players like Legwand, Michalek, Phillips, and Anderson around to provide a bit of a keel - to insulate against potential lapses by the likes of Zibanejad, Chiasson, Stone, Lazar, Hoffman, Cowen, Wiercioch, Ceci, and Lehner. If those young players succeed, then great - but it's not unreasonable to guard your team against understandable growing pains in its youth development.

Not to mention that goaltending is a critical position (i.e. this is NOT the same as Greening or Neil's situation), and having depth there is not something to squander for no particular reason. Did Lehner really show anything last year that suggests that he's a runaway #1 goaltender at this point? And even if he does well, what happens if he gets injured? Goaltending is the one position that they have virtually no AHL depth to meaningfully support for at least the next couple of seasons. Provided that Anderson can accept something like a 2yr extension where he realizes that it's at best a 1a/1b situation with Lehner, I don't think it's a bad investment to keep someone around who has proven that he fits in well with the team, and can help the team through times where Lehner maybe doesn't play up to everyone's hopes or expectations.
- khawk

Too bad you missed my other post saying it's important to have veteran support. With that said, I don't necessarily think Anderson is that or even wants that. It's all about the deal he will get. If he signs a 2 year deal with 2.5-3 million per then giddy up. Sign him.

But I am Anderson, I am seeking a significant raise from the 3.1 million I was getting plus decent term. That for a cash struggling team is a red flag. There are always viable back up options every year come free agent time that can bring in a veteran presence for much cheaper and short term.

It all comes down to what Anderson wants. Back ups are important, but there is little point on paying them starter numbers, which is what I am trying to get at. I think it's a bit too optimistic to assume Anderson will take on a lesser role at this point in his career, even if he should. It's also equally a bit too optimistic to assume Lehner will become the number 1 guy. But if he isn't going to be the number 1 guy, this is a much bigger conversation and Anderson is not the answer.

2013 spring: I was right about one thing.... they should of traded Anderson (even though he was playing amazing before his finger injury) and kept Bishop.

Bishop Lehner would of been awesome
- AlfieisKing

Would have been interesting to see what we could have got for Andy. I am not sold we would have got a lot more than what we got for Bishop. It also would have been interesting to keep all 3 and start Lehner in the AHL this past season (something I was against, but you never know). That's why trades are so fun to analyze so many ifs, ands, or buts. Now I miss TradeCentre. (frank)ing August.

Just throwing it out there....

Get rid of Anderson, sign Brodeur to a short term deal to work with The Lehner and then promote him to starter in another year.

Thoughts?
- Douceman

Terrible idea